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I live in NYC and my boyfriend is a teacher. I'm with you on this. Unfortunately when you have PTO meetings for a school that has 300 kids and only 20 parents show up something has to be done to motivate the kids.

"Some people who don't support these kinds of pay-to-learn programs argue that parents should get more involved in their kids' public school education and that paying kids to do what they ideally should be internally motivated to do is teaching them the wrong lesson about work and money and motivation and success. "

i find it ironic that those people who say that paying kids to learn is teaching them bad values about work, are the same people that probably work super hard and expect a raise. working hard garners FINANCIAL rewards in the real life, period. if you work very hard at your job (unless you're a teacher like me LOL), more than likely you'll be rewarded with bonuses, promotions, and higher pay. so this isn't too far fetched.

growing up, my parents rewarded me with money for my grades. $20 for As, $10 for Bs. nothing else for anything lower than that, so i quickly understood that As and Bs were what was acceptable in my house, and from then on, i kept the As and Bs flowing, even when my parents stopped giving me money.

as a teacher i see kids being rewarded without working for ANYTHING. most of my students have ipods, sidekicks, designer clothes and nikes....and no school supplies (and i work in a very urban middle school, all my kids qualify for free lunch). so they already live in a culture of GIMME. i'd MUCH rather them be movtivated to learn because they were going to be POSITIVELY rewarded, than sit in the back of the class and act like they don't care.

parental involvement is vital. but sadly, for many kids, it's not there. during back to school night or parent conferences i MIGHT get 15 parents, and i always have 100+ students. maybe of my students are foster kids, their parents/moms work multiple jobs, or are just not interested in keeping up with their kids' education. so for these children, should we just shrug our shoulders & hope they become internally motivated when they have NOTHING motivating them?

what should we do? just continue to let them fail? continue to let our boys make a b-line to state prisons? why NOT try every, single way to motivate them to do right. perhaps they will internalize it and seeing how, aside from a few dollars, having an education will help them in the long run.

so if almost everyone here agrees that parental involvement is the key to student achievement why arent there any solutions that work towards that goal?

No. I think this actually devalues education. Why should you be paid to engage in a service provided to you for free?

I never received money from my parents for good grades, but I still made them. They demanded the best and I was more than happy to deliver to save the skin on my ass and to please myself.
It's just like the people who think they deserve credit for taking care of their children. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO!

No one should be paid to self improve.

And @vanderlei: That's a good question. The parents have to want to participate. They have to stop making excuses about work or being too tired or whatever. You can have all the programs in place and even canvassers going door-to-door, but if the parents won't show up, it's pointless.

What a great discussion here. Have to say I agree with your dad. At the same time I agree with those who say that everyone should stop blaming parents. Parents who inspire their kids are terrific, but it's not always easy for parents to do that for a multiplicity of reasons. Schools and teachers can inspire and motivate kids. We all remember wonderfully inspiring teachers.
The problem with the quick fix of paying kids to learn is that it it squelches any motivation the kids already might have. It teaches them that learning is something that's worth money, and blots out the idea that learning can be interesting, enjoyable, exciting, satisfying and valuable – in and of itself. It risks then that when you stop paying kids, they'll stop studying. But we want our kids to go to college, and keep learning afterward too, because that's what good jobs today demand.
IF you want to "jump start" a kid who's doing nothing, maybe that's okay for starters. But it irks me that foundations are paying literally millions of dollars to pay kids for grades, when those millions could go toward hiring teachers who make learning esciting and interesting and show kids why it's so valuable. Good teachers help kids feel competent and cared for and that's what motivates them to learn.
What also bothers me is that this is the kind of teaching that goes on in the fancy prep schools and in the very good suburban schools and the good charter or Catholic or magnet schools. Why don't those who want to pay poor inner city kids to learn use that money instead to give those kids the fine motivating education that wealthier or luckier kids are getting?
There's lots of research that shows when you're internally motivated to learn, not working for an external reward, that the quality of your learning is better. So this quick fix idea is really producing inferior learning. That is very disheartening to say the least.

Parents are generally trying to survive the American dream. That means different things for different families but most parents are working to keep food on the table & roofs over everyone's head. When you are just trying to survive, there is little time or energy for other things. I am assuming that the majority of the students fall into the working and working poor economic class. I just can't imagine middle class and upper middle class kids thinking $6 and hour was enough to get them to go to tutoring.

Paying children to learn is not intrinsically bad per se, but can give some false ideas about how the corporate world really works. It will in many cases set people up for failure, because it gives a sense of entitlement. None of us is entitled to anything. Especially if you are some shade of brown in America.

Great discussion!

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